Newbie, want to do right thing

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Newbie, want to do right thing

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Hi, I am very new and set up for two Hermit Crabs right now. I used your forum for information that helped me purchase the right stuff to start my crab journey. Only problem is that I am confused whether putting just sea salt in the water is enough for my Crabs. They are starting to explore and I gave them a good diet and wonder if the sponge should have distilled or sea salt water. I have distilled and bottled available. The sea water is in a bathing bowl right now and I really don't want to hurt the little guys by not giving them a variety or does it matter? Too much attention is not good too for any creature. So please be patient with me.
My first crab I got on the boardwalk and had a spiderman shell. I went out and got a ten gallon tank for him and a "friend" and a shell or two advised by the lady who seems to know what she is talking about at the store. I got sea salt, dried shrimp meal and hermit crab food as recommended on your forum. The boardwalk fellow (TED) has tried out a new shell but went back into his old one. I got a spritzer and put sea salt water in it because it is hot right now and did not want anyone to bake. I did see last night when I got up from bed (not because of them) they were actively both moving around the tank. The one from the boardwalk is missing some end limbs and I will make sure I keep an eye on him as I did not know anything about that when I first chose him. My son raises various reptiles and I Have had to help care for them so he has advised me however hermit crabs are new to him. Please let me know if it is absolutely necessary to dip the sponge in distilled water or can I alternate. Thanks (?)
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It is best to offer a dish of fresh dechlorinated water and a dish of instant ocean or oceanic brand salt water in the tank at all times. This way the crabs can choose what they want.

I may be misunderstanding your question. Also, please fill out the questions that are in the crab care section so we can best help you. :)
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hello Babesbarn, and welcome to HCP!
It's always good to hear of a crabber that's done some research and is really trying to do the best for their crabs. And no worries, we will be patient as can be, we were all once in your shoes, and know how it feels! I had my hand held through several events with my crabs, trust me I know how it feels. :)

So to answer your question, there are a few things you can do. As Gizaroo2 mentioned, you should be offering BOTH fresh dechlorinated (or distilled water - if you use regular bottled water you still need a dechlorinator that neutralizes heavy metals, the same as with tap water) and ocean salt water. Many are finding it is easier to do without the sponge, as it can harbor bacteria so must be sterilized every two days at least. Those who do use sponges generally have two so they can trade out every other day. This gives the sponges time to dry after being sterilized, further inhibiting bacteria growth.
Your crabs will thoroughly enjoy water dishes in which they can fully submerge and bathe themselves, as well as to fill their shells with water. They carry water in their shells to help keep their soft abdomen moist and also to help moisten their gills.

The only real reason a sponge might be needed in a water dish is to help add humidity to the air, and perhaps be a snack for the crabs. The crabs do benefit from the cellulose in the natural sponge. Cork bark, coconut husk, mopani wood, and grape vine as well as maple and oak leaves are also excellent sources of cellulose for your crabs.

As for the shells, if you have a crab that does change out of a painted shell into a natural one, remove the painted shell immediately. Regardless of whether he found the painted one more comfortable, the paint itself is not safe for him. he will eventually settle on a shell with which he is comfortable, and you have removed a hazard from his home. This is why you want to be sure and offer a wide variety of shells, at minimum 3 shells per crab. I tend to offer at least 20 or 30 shells in my tank of 14 crabs, though with 5 crabs I would probably offer the same. :) it's fun to shop for shells! lol. For people and crabs :) I get most of mine on Ebay.
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Oh my, thank you both so much! I am going to go out and buy a new package of sponges and when the little guys are ready they will probably feel comfortable enough to wean away. I presently have a hallow log half in there which occassionally they go in and check out. Last night I put in a shell, kind of a pointie one that I thought, gee, could they get around in this? Or hurt themself? But low and behold this morning I get up and see that all around THAT shell is a pill of the coconut bark that I have as bedding. Maybe one of them is in there. Do not want to disturb him but yes, I will dump that shell a.s.a.p. with Spiderman in it.
The bedding I picked up was not compressed which later I read on your forum is probably the best for moisture. I have T-Rex Jungle Bed Premium blend forest substrate. Says it resistant to mold and decay and has a slow release of humidy after wetting. Then I considered sand from the Beach as I live at the Jersey shore and pretty close by. But was worried about bugs in it, sand mites. Really was trying to decide whether sand would be better but will continue to mist the bedding til I get some feedback from you for my 10 gallon glass tank.
Another thing, I have the heater for the tank but concerned that it could be flammable for the bedding if placed under the tank. I also have to decide on a proper lid because I first thought of a cage top but then when I read that they require lots of humidity, I concerned myself to the fact that they are indeed going to get the content of the humidity in the room. I have a humidistat which I use in the winter to bring moisture in the air with my humidifier since I have dry heat (oil) That will be a important step for them to keep them moist.
I guess they are eating although I see food in the dish and offer them what was recommended on your forum. My husband laughs at me because I spend countless time on them, even putting a cardboard lid on the tank with holes so it keeps the humidity constant until I find out if the tank lid with a light is better to use than plastic sleaves to enclose it. Oh my, so much to know. Both of you are wonderful to help me out with some quick questions as you have. :D
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Is this a half log like this?
http://www.strictlypetsupplies.com/_097 ... t-Reptiles

If so, please do remove it ASAP due to it being conifer.
T-Rex Jungle Bed Premium blend forest substrate.
If one were to use a coco fiber substrate it needs to be 100% coco fiber. Forest bedding can usually also contain pine/evergreen.
http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.j ... Id=2752443
even putting a cardboard lid on the tank with holes so it keeps the humidity constant until I find out if the tank lid with a light is better to use than plastic sleaves to enclose it.
Majority of cardboard is treated for rats, so one should cover the cardboard with plastic wrap. As for a tank lid with lights, many have found that through the winter and the dry heat from the furnaces they still need Plexiglas or a glass lid under it to hold humidity within the tank too. Lights will naturally burn a bit of the humidity from the tank when on too.
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Oh you really DO love your these little fellows, You are so nice to help out. The Pet log I have is from Mac's Creatures & Critters called Pet Refuge . I do not think it is pine but could be maple. There is no information on the lable to what type of tree it is. I was concerned before putting it in because I read that pine is an irritant or could make them sick. I looked on the internet further about this log in particular and it is not the one you pointed out.
The bedding is exactly what you posted. It is T-Rex Jungle Bed Premium and says it does not rot or mold and had coconut and no pine but natural. I hope I am going in the right directions. I am going to take a picture of my hermits just as soon as they come out for a bath. They stay hidden most of the day. A perfect spot for them not in the sun and I do try hard to help them overcome any pps they could have. I am not worried about mice or rats because I have a Westie and nothing would ever come near my home and get food. I will go for the plexi or the lid. That would keep moisture inside good. I spray the inside of the tank during the day wetting the bedding. Got to get some more shells, That little Spiderman fellow is inside it and he sure likes inside the log.

I heard they like grapes, would that be fresh and room temp? I confess I am overwhelmed with all the postings I see on the forum but I DO want to come up to speed and not lose one of my babies!
Any additional comments please help me out. Any info on the Pet Refuge by Mac's Creatures and Critters would be appreciated. If anyone knows anything negative about that one....out it goes!
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Yes, the Mac's Creatures & Critters called Pet Refuge is the same: (click on picture for larger view)

http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.j ... Id=2752734

Please note, it does not look like any of the maple bark pictures here:
here

But more of that of a pine bark

Not to argue, but I did not see where it stated there was no pine in the bag? (and I have been to the pet store… and the bag does not say it) A forest floor usually consist of conifer… pine too. All we can do is advise, it is up to you whether to continue using it or not.
I’m not sure if you understood? The cardboard itself is normally treated for rats by the manufactures who make the cardboard. This should be covered with plastic if used as a lid.
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Ok, that log is coming out right away. Thanks so much. Wonder if I put a ceramic urn inside for them to go into. Has a nice hole. Let me show you my Little Spiderman. So far I have not seen him out of his shell long enough to remove the spiderman. But he will come out, I put some new ones in. Notice also he is missing some claws or limbs. The other crab is way in the back by the glass and his shell seems ok. I put plastic wrap over the cardboard and left about two inches of space for air to get in on the end of the tank. Also I misted and will be checking out a plexi because it is safer for the top. Thanks so much. And out with the log! Tonights trash! :D Maybe I can put that little wire cage in there so they can climb. Its the one he came in. They like to climb.
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Here are pictures of TED who is wearing the Spiderman shell so far. Notice his missing parts. Today going back to store with my own information from this forum rather than asking the store associate who was WRONG about the log I got. Six days, and they are still doing ok, I hope.
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Post by ladybug15057 »

Poor baby, must of really been holding on as opposed to wanting to be taken from his natural home. Many poachers will clip the ends of the hermies legs and pinchers off as opposed to taking the time to wait for them to let go. :'( :@

Edited to add: Please broaden your horizons... Micheal's, WalMart and other dollar stores are less expensive for 'toys' that can be hermie safe too...
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